Tips For Fires Under Tarps, Cat-Tail Fibre Extraction, Bushcraft On TV | #AskPaulKirtley 65

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Welcome to Episode 65 of #AskPaulKirtley, where I answer questions about tips for having fires under tarps, will there or should there be more bushcraft on TV, what might the causes be of getting pumped forearms when making feathersticks, is there a best time of year to harvest wood for carving, and details of Typha fibre extraction.

TIMESTAMPS:

01:40 Fires under tarps

07:48 More bushcraft on TV?

16:42 Pumped forearms when making feathersticks

22:41 Best time to harvest wood for carving?

30:09 Typha fibre extraction

LINKS MENTIONED IN THE VIDEO:

Podcast with Joe Robinet -

http://paulkirtley.co.uk/2018/joe-robinet-camping-bushcraft-youtube/

More On Tarps (with some photos with fires) -

http://paulkirtley.co.uk/2011/bushcraft-tarp-in-your-day-pack/

Frontier Bushcraft Intermediate Course -

http://frontierbushcraft.com/courses/intermediate-wilderness-bushcraft/

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in this episode of ask Paul currently we are going to be talking about fires under tarps more bushcraft on television getting pumped for arms when making feather sticks at the time to harvest a wood for carving and T fir fiber extraction welcome welcome to episode 65 of ask for curtly with me Paul currently where I answer your questions on wilderness bushcraft survival skills and outdoor life and I found this nice little nook at the base of this tree here to sit and it's there's not much breeze today but here it feels quite shelter this is quite a slight cold breeziness it's quite cozy down here I've got the the back mat out of my day pack just a foam mat that sits in between you and the contents of your pack normally and that's pulled out I put it on the ground so I can sit on it so I've got some insulation under my backside I've got my hot coffee here I put a duvet jacket on so I stay warm after walking and I am good to go I'm good to go with few more questions that have been sent in to ask for curtly first question is from Mike and his question is about fires under tarps he says hi Paul I read something recently that talked about fires under tarps being okay if the tarp is set up correctly I assume that there is a bit more to it than that type of wood and tarp material maybe I have a DD superlight which feels like it might burst into flames at the mere mention of a fire any wisdom much appreciated well Michael I'm going to put my glove back on because it's quite chilly problem with smartphones is touch screens don't work very well when you've got gloves on something that catches people out in the mountains when they're trying to use them for navigating in bad weather but and have been a lot there's been a lot of cases of people getting caught out and bad weather in the mountains in the UK recently unfortunately in the winter conditions or the changeable conditions we've had that have often turned into serious winter conditions so thoughts and prayers out to people who have lost loved ones it's there's been some tragedies recently unfortunately but yes fires under tarps and nice thing to do in the woods particularly this time of year you can get a nice warm recirculation of air going with not a huge big fire and I think that's part of it I think you think about the size of fire you might need to hook on or to stay warm out in the open and then you extrapolate to having that underneath the fire and you think well that's going to damage my tarp you can actually get away with quite a small fire because a lot of that warm air that would be lost out into the atmosphere into the wider world is gonna get bounced back and recirculated round under your tarp so that's part of it part of it is right sizing the fire I think the biggest danger is as you probably know Mike when you light your fire and you're using a lot of kindling you're gonna get quite high flame potentially even if it's raining outside and you'd light your fire and you'd need plenty of kindling and you need to have enough energy in that initial stage of your fire to drive off the moisture so that you can light the next stage if you're under a tarp you've got protection from the rain and that's another good reason to have a tap even in your day pack because if you stop whether it's intentional or unintentional you can put a temporary shelter up and be out of the rain even if it's just you know today if it was raining I could put a tarp up here where I am there's a branch that comes down from that tree over there that's stiff enough I could tie atop one end of the tarp to it I could tie the other end to this tree that I'm sunder and I'd have to have it pretty close to this end just to make sure there was no water dripping down that end I'd have it angled slightly that way so any water landing on it but it would be would be running off that way away from me not towards me but then I would have my camera that sat in front of me here and my gear all in the dry and I would mostly if not entirely be in the dry as well just in this position I'm public I could probably find an even better place but even here I could set a tarp up and I would be out of the rain and when you're doing a fire that's a benefit as of having the table so right-sizing the fire thinking about how much flame you're gonna get setting the TAF high enough it doesn't need to be so low that you can only just sit underneath it you can have it so that you can stand underneath it have a reasonable to fire the flames might be still up here but it's going to be you know a metre and a half before your before your top and yes there might be a bit of ember or a little bit of burning material that goes up and that is a risk and you will over time if you've regularly having a fire underneath a particular type you will over time get some little pinholes in it I've got some big tarps that we use on expeditions and they are set at Heights that you can stand underneath and we have pretty sizable fires underneath we're cooking etc etc sets we're lighting fires and getting them going quickly in wet conditions in windy conditions they've only got a few tiny little pin holes smaller tarps that are used for personal use where I might stop and have a fire underneath and hardly any issues with them at all and even then if you get a tiny little pinhole pricking them the surface tension of a globular water is probably so that the water won't even come through that little hole you have to have really big fires under tarps to really damage them substantially and you might be worried about the heat if it's really wet you put all that cooling on the outside I've seen tarps steaming like so water vapour coming off the outside of a tarp because of the heat on the inside but you feel the top and it's not that warm and certainly nowhere near the melting temperature of the tarp so I think making sure you're not making the fire too big to start off with particularly if you're thinking what you'd need to do lighting it in the rain versus lighting it under cover thinking about not having it too big because a lot of that heat that you're losing is going to recirculate and then just not setting it to low in the first place just being sensible about that you shouldn't have any problems and that's that's my advice and if you're really concerned about it you know have your tarp have it on a bit of a lien maybe more of a lean-to type setup and then just have your fire just in front of it and then you're getting the radiant heat that way you still get you're not going to get the convection benefit but you've got some radiant heat you're in the dry the fire's just there you can do it that way as well if you're still concerned experiment with it at the end of the day you put a tiny little couple of pinprick holes in your top who cares you know it's going to last longer than you anyway don't be too precious about your gear look after it but don't be too precious don't let it stop you doing things question about more bushcraft on television this questions from Kevin via email and he says hi Paul I finally got up the courage to ask a question have you any plans to extend your work into television or do you think the whole subject has been covered by the likes of Ray Mears and Bear Grylls personally I would love to see something along the lines of Lisa fentons thesis where she examines the history of bushcraft skills and the links with indigenous peoples thanks once again for your efforts best regards from the Czech Republic Kevin PS have you ever traveled to Central Europe I have traveled to some places in Central Europe Kevin I have not actually ever been to the Czech Republic though I've heard a lot of great things about it it will is on my list and it will will be visited one day but I haven't been yet more bushcraft on television have I got any intentions to move into television not massively I talked about this a little bit with Joe Robinette on a recent Paul Kirtley podcast again links can be found under this video whether you're watching on YouTube or watching on my blog at Paul Kelly code at UK if you're listening via audio wherever you're listening via audio go to Paul curly coat UK forward slash asked Paul curtly six-five ask Paul currently 65 you'll find this episode on all the notes there links related articles and there's also one about fires under tarps I should link as well related to the previous question from Mike I'll put that under here as well and the podcast Roger Robinette and we talked a bit about TV there and he has a big audience on YouTube I've got a very modest audience on YouTube but last time I looked it was about 28,000 on YouTube and I'm hoping to grow that this year I've often used YouTube as just a reinforcement of other things that I'm doing my my hub my home if you like on the Internet has always been poor curly code at UK and that's where everything gets put and then other things then some things are put on other platforms as well like YouTube or SoundCloud or iTunes or what-have-you but I do want to concentrate more on my on my youtube channel I think I'm going to concentrate more on that than looking at any television opportunities because the benefit for somebody like me is that I can go direct to you I can speak to you about the things that you want to hear about I mean this would never work a sport currently would never work on television it's too niche it's too specialized an interest area it's not a format that the casual interest person would be particularly engaged by it's not a five-minute clip entertainment fast moving fast paced thing it's for people who want more in-depth information and one of the benefits of having an ability to go direct to an audience is that you can go as in-depth as you want you can go narrow and deep and I prefer that option frankly than broad and shallow which a lot of television ends up being unfortunately because of the nature of the economics of television they need big audiences to justify the airtime to justify what they've charged an advertiser for advertising before after during the show or to justify whatever other funding they've got whether it's a if it's a public broadcaster if they've got a license fee or other public funds they've got to justify they've got to say

we put this thing out and we got this amount of audience and that's hard for niche interests on television but there's a lot of interest in the survival end I could see that there's more survival shows I can see why the things like alone and naked and afraid are popular and they are slightly exploitation 'el in the sense that you're kind of viewers are getting some various pleasure from watching somebody in a difficult or awkward or challenging situation but not being there themselves they're also relatively inexpensive to make you know I've got a broadcast quality video camera here that I'm talking to and you can send people off into the woods to do their survival challenge and fill themselves with that type of kit and that can be put on television with some editing clearly and clearly you've got to pay for safe risk assessments and safety people being present and the logistics of getting people there and of course the equipment but compared to making a big documentary series or a lot of types of television it's relatively inexpensive so I can see why it's gone towards that end of the spectrum as TV budgets have got squeezed and then the question really is for you the viewer if you find that educational or just purely entertainment would I be interested in getting involved in that as a participant no not especially would I be interested in presenting something on television maybe but to me television now is just another platform and there's so much there's so much convergence you know I can go onto my television now and I've got an Apple TV box I can watch YouTube I can watch Netflix i can watch amazon prime i can watch Apple stuff through the Apple TV and I can watch Vimeo videos on there it's all on my television and equally I can link my laptop via Apple AirPlay to my Apple TV box and anything that I want to play I can play on my on my my laptop I can stream to my television so it's kind of like I think we need to change our definition of what's television you know I would rather be making these and getting questions directly from you and not having a TV producer trying to tell me how to behave or how I should be doing things or an editor chopping up things to make me look a certain way I'd rather have control of my content to be honest with you and I think that's one of the great things about the Internet it's a democratization I can go directly to an audience Joe Robinette can go directly to an audience and anybody who wants to make the effort and is good enough to hold people's attention can get to an audience that is interested in what they've got to talk about that's fantastic and that's what television is having to compete with now and you know that if you look at the statistics of how much time people spend watching television it's much much much less than it used to be for a whole host of reasons and but social media platforms such as YouTube are a big part of that we go and find the type of content we want to watch rather than sitting there waiting for it to come to us like we used to you know you remember you know you you'd get like a new Rainier series or or something come up out of the blue advertised on BBC 2 or channel 4 and you'd be like great I'm gonna watch that that hardly ever happens now where you're just sitting waiting for the content to come to you you go and find the the type of material the the answers to the questions that you want the learning that you want you can go and find it from people directly now and I think that's brilliant that's brilliant and I'm very happy to be part of that so if the right opportunity came along maybe but equally I don't think any of us really need it anymore frankly that's the thing particularly not in niche interests clearly there's a space for things like large sporting events you know the Winter Olympics football Super Bowl all of those type of things TV owns that stuff and that makes complete sense little shows about bushcraft you can do it on the internet you do it better than TV probably because the people are passionate and there's no TV producers editors or anybody else that are just trying to earn a living getting in the way or getting in getting either trying to extract value ie salary from it or trying to earn a living raise their career or any of those types of things which you get attached to any larger project it's just like it's me and it's you I might sometimes work with a cameraman

I might sometimes ask somebody to edit things for me but largely it's just me talking directly to an audience and I love that directness getting pumped for arms when making feather sticks this is from Chris via Instagram nice picture of a few feather sticks they're nice curls and his question is knowledge is key but the right kit helps that's a nice way of putting it I found my forearms getting pumped when doing feather sticks or any heavy carving tasks I've been conscious of over gripping my Condor bushel or knife and don't find the same problem with a more a clipper or companion is this likely down to the handle profile or technique a climb and paddle so I'm not unfamiliar to physical work any input greatly appreciated it could be that the handles too fat that could be one thing just if you if if you look at that Bush law compared to your Mora and think you know look at the two together if it's considerably fatter that could be it just how you're holding your hand where where your forearm muscles are sitting when you're gripping that could be part of it it could also be the angle of the blade relative to the handle that you're having to do a lot more stabilization then you might need to with your wrist ie your forearm muscles that could be a reason why without seeing your technique I don't know which part of the blade you're you

for the majority of making those curls but one general point I would make is if you're using the part of the blade that's closest to the handle there's least leverage on your wrist and therefore least strain on your forearm muscles the further away you get from the handle the closer you get towards the tip the more leverage there is on your on your wrist forget for pressure at that point in the blade and therefore the more strength needs to come from your forearms to hold it in any given position so it could be that you're working a long way away from the handle and that could be part of it it could be just that the angle of the blade is you might be starting off nicely close to the handle and as you move down and slice across and you move towards the end of the blade if the angle of the blade relative the handle isn't great if it's just slightly too shallow you'll lose purchase towards the end and you'll end up having to turn the blade in which again can put a lot of strain on your forearm and the more is are very good at making feather sticks yeah regardless of what other knife you've ever used I go back to a more a clipper and I prefer the Mora robust just because it's not quite as finer blade and I find that better the Mora robust but that shape of blade notwithstanding the bevel profile that shape of blade and the angle of the blade relative to the handle and the way that the blade runs off in a very gradual even curve makes it very easy to control the curls and make good feather sticks I think they're excellent for that job and any knife that has a similar profile tends to do well in making feather sticks so it could be a difference in those factors also I'm just thinking about the Condor bush law if I'm thinking about that knife correctly I think that knife I may be wrong here because I'm not a knife geek and I see a lot of knives clients bring their own knives to courses students bring their own knives to courses and trips I seem to recall that knife being quite hard to sharpen if I'm thinking of the right knife and the Steel's quite hard and it might therefore be that it's not that not sharp as it could be in which case clearly you gonna put more effort in to get the the right angle and to get the right amount of bite with your blade in which case it's going to it's going to pump your arms a bit more so it could just be sharpness but there are those other dimensional aspects that I talked about as well and have a look at the comparison and hold them hold the centerline and their handles together and then see if there's a difference in the way that the blades then progress from the handle you might find that one is a slightly different angle it actually only takes a few degrees when we were developing the pk-1 knife which sadly isn't available at the moment people have got one are lucky to have one and it's not a it's not a finesse carving knife but it is a solid wilderness knife it's very good for battling it's indestructible and there any kind of normal use patterns even heavy battening and it makes very good feather sticks but at first it didn't make very good for the sticks and what we had to do was just adjust the angle of the centerline of the blade relative to the centerline and the handle just down a couple of degrees and it made all the difference in the world particularly as the as you moved away from the handle it kept the grip on the curl when you went towards the tip which it wasn't doing before and I can create some of the best curls with any knife with that particular knife because I spent a lot of time developing it to be able to do those day-to-day expedition tasks it's a wilderness knife that's meant to be robust and you thought needs to go into those things and it may be that just the angle is slightly wrong with that particular knife and or it could be that it needs sharpening that I would look at those those two things those two things in particular Chris hopefully that helps and if you want take a video of you making feather sticks if you want me to analyze it anymore stick it on Instagram and tag me a sport curtly and I will have a look at it okay time to harvest wood for carving the video question via Instagram that wasn't intentional so Chris see what Craig's done here with this question you can do a similar thing just film yourself making feather sticks so I can see what's going on with a knife angle your hand your wrist etc etc ok so this one is from Craig Taylor Paul Craig here hope you keep him well Paul my question for us Paul currently this time around senses around

carving or more precisely the collection and processing of wood prior to carving here's a question is there a time of the year when it is better for me as an as a novice carver and I'm thinking about carving spoons here nothing more intricate than that is there a time of the year when the collection of the wood is is better for me and also better for the tree as well that I'm taking it from Burning Man I'll be harvesting green wood is there a time when I'll be doing less damage to the tree and making my life a little easier as a newcomer to this carving world hopefully you'll be able to answer this question and as always a huge huge thank you for everything that you do for that for the bushcraft community you add a real value to it to it so do please keep up the good work and hopefully speak to you soon Cheers so that's that's a nice question Craig you clearly you know thinking about you know damage to the environment but also developing your your skills and not just hacking stuff whenever um yeah you will water generally you're going to be carving green wood for the type of projects you're talking about spoon carving etc particularly if you're sort of practicing for carving in the field and making things as you go wood will be often quite dry in the winter as the Wilfried deciduous trees it's shut down and then as the leaves start to come out the saps obviously rising at that point the woods going to be a lot wetter and you see that manifesting itself in in several ways that are commonly seen even if you've not spent a lot of time looking at these things so for example the SAP rising in birch trees people tapping birch sap but you don't even necessarily need to tap a birch tree to see the birch sap rising even two branches rubbing together I remember sitting on a sunny late March day one year in Sussex bright blue sky sunny birds are singing and I was sat there and I was it felt like I was being rained on there were drips of rain landing on me and I looked up and what was going on was a bit of a breeze and two birch trees which should grow next to each other had overlapping branches they were rubbing against each other and where they they were rubbing there was clearly a wounds there on one if not both of the trees and sap was dripping down from there just little drips and that was just down to the SAP rising at that time a year that wound might have been there for months but once the SAP starts rising it comes it comes and that so that that moisture is going up into the wood particularly in the outer parts of the wood but it is going to be wetter the other thing is that if you're going to be using willow bark for cordage it can be almost impossible to get off the tree off the branch in the latter part of the year once you get past about August it really starts to dry up and it can be really hard to get the the bark off towards the end of the year whereas in the spring it just peels off beautifully it's really wet between the wood and there in the bark and it just comes off in one big sheets smells like sort of cucumber and and it's just malleable and pliable and works and works great so that's two kind of fairly commonly known differences in terms of the wood itself given where most of the wood where most of the moisture is transported it's not right in the core it's it's further out it will make some difference to the moisture content of the wood but it won't make a huge difference and so in terms of it drying out when you're carving

it's gonna be roughly the same you know I wouldn't worry too much about that what you probably want to worry more about is if you're taking bits off a tree and the sap is rising is that going to leave a wound where it's going to lose a lot of moisture so you know if you took a if you took a limb off a large limb off a tree when the SAP was rising it could potentially lose quite a lot of moisture out of that I wouldn't necessarily be doing it right at that stage but once the leaves are out that that volume that velocity if you like is going to reduce by said buzzards just landed in the tree above me I've got I've got no way of showing you because I can't actually see him now he's up in the spruce tree top that one there just so I'm flying over there that's cool so yeah I would avoid damaging trees at the height of the SAP rising other than that in terms of you carving it's not going to make a big difference and then the other thing I would say is if you do take a branch and you're going to be making a thing try and use as much of that as you possibly can I think that was a Kestrel that just went through this lake I was just I'm all of a sudden I'm in a bird of prey center sorry to completely get distracted but that was just pop down and flew along and up into that Bush it's that time of day where everything's starting to look for somewhere to roost nice end to the day nice light there I think I've answered all the questions on given all the main points on that I can Craig don't worry about it too much make sure you make a nice clean cut make sure that thing's angled away from the center of any tree particularly if it's sort of coppiced make sure that you don't just sort a branch because it will split and the split will run into the tree and then infection will get into the main trunk potentially make an undercut first and then further undercut about a third of the way in at least and then further out make another cut so that as it breaks away that split hits the undercut and it cuts it comes off cleanly without splitting all the way into the trunk and then just make sure that you use as much as possible of the materials that you collect either yourself or give them to people that you with that can do something similar with it and make some nice stuff and post it on Instagram for us to see T fur fiber extraction this is from Brian Brian Liggett who's a student on my tree implant course and on my online elementary course and is a very conscientious chap and he always asks good questions I'm currently studying a reed mace T fur latifolia amongst the many uses of this wonderful plans I have found multiple references to extracting fibers from it for use in textiles and cordage it does not seem to be well-known for this use in the UK and I am wondering how the fibers are extracted keep up the good work many thanks Brian well that is a good question and you are correct in that it's not so well known for that so uses of at effort for matting and porridge really come down to two parts of the plan the more commonly known part of the plant for that usage for matting for so that matting could be for flooring it could be for covering ground ovens it could be from making doors it could you can even make baskets that is the leaves and depending on what the use is you might be using green leaves or you might be using dried leaves and that really just depends on whether or not shrinkage after the fact is a an issue and also you know if you're putting something over a ground of when you probably want green materials I've made matting with tea firt leaves for food preparation surfaces for example you know whether it's preparing raw foods on them or if it's for serving not the same surface of course basic food hygiene office for serving you you might have roasted something over the fire and then you want to serve surface to put it on to serve it so that you know it's not down in the dirt for example you know it could be a pinaster salmon for example you

something to put it down on could be a roast chicken or pheasant or something that you've done over the fire or a rabbit you know that you want to put it down you might have done a honey glaze on it or something you want to put it down so people can pick bits off it or slice bits off it you want the surface and making a quick matte from green leaves is a good way to do that so that's that's you know one way using the leaves in parts of Canada I learned that they would make a long needle it's a bit like a sewing needle in proportions but big of wood and then they would put twine through a series of leaves using that needle basically just feed the the the leaves on and so that they're all threaded together so you kind of have more of a sort of a blind affect so that you could pop the thing together but then lay it out with them all overlapping and that could be used for doors it could be used for a floor matting to keep all the pieces together and it took much less weaving interweaving of things which can be quite fiddly for bigger mats so that's another way but then if you want to make cordage yes you can use the leaves but it never ends up being super strong what's much better is using the fibers from the rhizomes and you know what rhizomes are Brian but for those people that don't know what rhizomes are they're kind of a root but they're not really a root that the more strictly speaking they are an underground stem and with tea fur with cattails and what you have is that you have an established stem and then you have a rhizome that comes off which has little roots on it a rhizome that comes off and then at some point you will get a new chute that starts to go up and the tip of that chute was kind of what was sometimes called Cossack asparagus and that's quite tasty love it so it's not tasty but its crunchy it's got some texture to it and you eat it as a vegetable and boil it first though because it's normally in fairly stagnant water but that comes up to be a new chute and the energy for that new chute comes from this ropey rhizome which sits between the established stem and the new stem that in the center of that is as a set of fiber as a bunch of fibers which is surrounded by starch and the starch is a really good source of carbohydrates one of the best wild sauces carbohydrate that's easily found and processed and excuse me we do that on our intermediate course the frontier bushcraft intermediate course that's something we have students do but what you'll know from if you've ever eaten cattails that way where you're just roasting the rhizomes over the fire you're splitting them out and you're extracting the starch from the fibers as you end up with all these fibers that's where you get the fibers from for making your cordage that's the best way to extract them eat the starch fibers you're left over with yes it's probably a little bit unsavory that you've got these slimy fibers but yeah wash them off a bit and you've got all the fibers then and they lay up really well into good-quality cordage they're very strong Australian Aboriginals did that in particular I know for a fact they used a closely related species of Tifa which looks to all intents and purposes just the same as the cattail that you or I would know from the northern hemisphere and they use the roots for food and then they fibers that were left over it were then used for cordage and so you're kind of getting two birds with one stone there you're getting your food and you're getting your fibers and then the laying up method is exactly the same sort of two ply lay that you might do with the fibers from the inner bark of willow or nettle fibers for example it's the same process

once you've got the fibers so hopefully that helps and a good question I like the questions that get into the real uses and the in-depth knowledge of these trees and plants and animals that's what bushcraft is all about to me but I'm happy to answer other questions here as well this isn't all just about bushcraft wilderness bushcraft survival skills and outdoor life in general and as the first question said knowledge is key but kit helps and definitely I am happy to answer questions that help you improve your outdoor life that's what I am here for that is what I do for a living and I am happy to share what I know via these shows without the need to go through a television company so thanks for watching if you're watching thanks for listening if you're listening please do subscribe on your favorite platform whether that's on YouTube whether that's on a podcast app because it helps me it doesn't just help me in some sort of ego way by me looking at my subscriber numbers a lot of these platforms now work on the basis that the more subscribers you have the more likely it is to show that show to show that episode to somebody else that like similar things so please subscribe you know and I'll you know let's gain this like if you subscribe to a podcast but don't really don't really spend any time on YouTube if you have a youtube account please just subscribe on YouTube as well or vice versa because it helps the visibility of these shows on those platforms which helps me get these get this quality information out to people who would benefit from it so you know I don't ever ask for you know people have said can can we donate can we pay money can we transfer some money from you know via PayPal for these shows why don't you put a patreon thing you know frankly if I want people to pay for stuff I will ask people to pay for stuff I have paid online programs where we go into a ton of depth on a ton of things and if you're interested in those when I mention them sign up to get the information packages the pre course information the you know the free videos or whatever it is that I'm showing you to give you a taste of what it is that I'm offering by all means do that but the rest of the stuff is free the one thing I would ask you to do to help me if you want to help is just try and share it as far and wide as possible try and subscribe on platforms because the algorithms work to show it to more people yep if something is it looks you know if something is popular it will sit there at the top of a of a feed and more people will see it and then you get that virtuous circle that's the best way you can help me so if you could do that subscribe liking as well commenting is always good let me know what you think of this episode if you've got any comments on any of the answers that are more that can provide more insight information to the people who ask the questions of course I welcome that in the comments below the YouTube video or below this on my blog at Porco doctor at UK forward slash asked Paul curtly 65 asked Paul currently six five and I look forward to answering a bunch more questions on episode 66 which will be with you before too long in the meantime enjoy the outdoors and stay safe Cheers [Music]

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