Mora Garberg Full Tang Discussion and Review

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okay guys I wanted to come out today and give you a little review that I promised you on this new Mora garb ERG fall tang knife and came out here to an area where I'd set up a camp before I left for Las Vegas

all right left it up while I was gone and of course we had a snowstorm no detriment to the aqua quest tarp that defender tarp or the hennessy hammock so I've got an area down here that's cleared out I'm going to start a small fire with this guard Berg knife from Mora

while I discuss the knife with you I'm also going to put some video footage at the end of this video on the demonstration I did at shot show of the multi functional or multi mount sheath that is one option that comes with this knife as well because that sheath is not fully developed yet I do not have it here at the school to give you a review so I did it at shot and I'll just talk more with you about the knife here today so let's talk real quick about fires and weather like this I mean it's no big chore to start a fire when you've got snowy conditions like this all you have to do is find the wood is not under the snow there's plenty of branches sticking up that have fallen from the trees a lot of people call that squaw would just wood that you can walk by pick up and what I look for is when I pick up a piece of wood I want it to snap if it snaps I know it's nice and dry it doesn't snap it's not going to be dry now if you can't find enough of that type of wood you should be able to find enough of that type of wood to at least dry out some more marginal sources maybe you had a pile of wood by your shelter and it got snowed on overnight and you've got a big pile of snow on top of your firewood for the next day because you failed to protect it correctly before you went to bed well it's not that big a deal if you can find enough dry wood to dry that out and then you need a good tinder source it's going to give you longevity in damp conditions like fat wood fat wood is a very very good choice for that because it's fairly waterproof they'll burn even if it's damp

and it burns for a long time it burns very hot because of that pine sap that is impregnated into the wood within this fat wood and they call it fat wood because it's impregnated with pine sap it usually comes from areas like stumps in the tree or lower areas of tree or areas where branches grow out of the tree and SAP collects in those areas and that's called fat or fat lighter wood depending on where you're from or lighter wood but you can buy this stuff commercially or you can go find it yourself but either way I would carry you know it doesn't stick so this in my kit all the time especially in the winter time environment because you can light this up very readily with ferrocerium rod and a cigarette lighter a bit especially is always going to be my first choice for starting fires but that big lighter is also a resource that you want to somewhat conserve and if you can start a fire in conditions that's not too windy like it is right now and it's not raining it's not snowing it's fairly dry you've just got snow on the ground and I can use a fair cerium rod to start my fire with the processing of this fat wood then I can serve the resource of that lighter for at another time and it's good to practice conserving resources even if you're just camping and it's not survival because you never know when it could turn into that emergencies do happen to people all the time and being prepared and practicing those methodologies all the time like conservation of resources is important and I think that's one of the things that we can talk about we talk about this new garber knife for more let's get started now I will always try to put something down on the ground - put my knees on if I'm going to get down here work on fire because I don't want to get my clothing wet or dirty if I can help it because that's conservation of that resource keeping that clothing clean will allow us to do its job and insulate me as well as breathe so that's important now we've got an area of the ground here is damp that we've wiped snow away from so we'll want to put some sticks on the ground if we can just as a little bit of a base and it doesn't have to be anything fancy can just be a few sticks it's going to keep your fire from being directly on that ground and suffering from conduction now one of the things that I found with this new more knife it is stainless steel it's a 14 C 28 inch stainless and everybody knows I'm a big fan of carbon and a pretty downer when it comes to stainless really you have merits and demerits for stainless steel this Sandvik stainless steel maintains an edge for a long period of time it's a little harder to sharpen than carbon steel but it will maintain that edge longer over time because of that I also feel that it probably maintains this 90 degree spine a little better than some other knives might that were softer of carbon steel they tend to roll over when you're using them a lot in a spokeshave nor tender processing or Ferro rod scraping type motion so that I believe is probably an advantage to the fact that this knife is made of stainless so I'll just scrape down some of this fat wood just like this and that is the advantage of having that 90 degree spine is that you can easily process those materials that can serve the resource of that edge and that resource is one of your most important resources that you can have for longevity sake in a wilderness scenario because you don't want to have to resharpen it so anything that you can do to conserve that edge whether that be not using it or using some type of backup to it if you can so being able to use that spine to be able to process that material gives me big advantage with this blade now any 90 degree spine will do that and see me do that lots and lots of times with my high carbon steel knives of course but there is something to be said for the fact that stainless steel will maintain that edge and is a more durable material over time when it comes to resource management in an emergency scenario when stainless steel obviously has the ability to maintain an edge longer and it also is not going to rust so you're not going to have to maintain it as much so those are a couple advantages to this knife the disadvantage over this and carbon steel is that carbon steel would be easier to sharpen and carbon steel would give you the ability if it was a hard enough Rockwell on the spine to strike sparks from the back of the blade with a rock in a dire emergency you should always carry three forms of fire starting with you most of the time I recommend a lighter a ferrocerium rod and a magnifying glass so that would be your fourth and last backup in a survival scenario and if I had to choose between having the ability to strike sparks with a rock and a full tang I would choose the full tang every time even if that knife was stainless steel so once I get that tinder processed I want to make sure I've got that good 90 degree spine that's going to give me lots and lots of sparks so that I then have the ability to just put other pieces of fat wood into my fire even if that's only a couple of slivers to help it to burn a little bit longer so that that marginal material has time to catch fire if I kind of build that in a Lincoln Log fashion that's going to put plenty of airflow into that firelight and I can save the rest of this material for the next fire and begin to put other sticks into my fire leg that may be less optimal because they had some snow or were damp and I'm not trying to build a large fire right now a heating type fire I don't need that I'm plenty warm I'm just trying to get a small fire going to be able to cook food on or heat up water this is not an emergency fire by any means but it shows you that you can use less than optimal material in wet weather some of this material still has snow on it actually but because I have that fat wood it will help it to burn long enough to get this larger material on fire and long as I let plenty of oxygen into the base of this fire that will work out just fine for me even if I have some snow on some of this material and now I'm just building around the outside

letting the flames rise up always going up as much as I can to let the heat rise and then I'm just going to let the fire breathe if I start smoking like this I want to stop out in fuel until the flames rise above the current level of fuel okay guys so let's have a chat about this Mora garber knife obviously first of all I want to say one thing more knives is not paying me to endorse this product I am NOT making a single dime for endorsing this product I'm endorsing this product because I believe in more knives I've carried more knives for a long long time anyone who have been watching my videos from the beginning saw that I used to carry a more knife around my neck every day and on my EDC and I have carried lots of more knives over the years but I have always preferred the full tang knife to be the knife on my hip but I've used more as carving tools I still use more as carving tools to this day for wood carving spoon making bull making and things of that nature when Moore came out with a full tang knife and asked me if I'd be interested in testing the prototype and this one says prototype right on the blade I said well of course I would absolutely even if it's made out of stainless steel I want to test I want to see how good this knife is because I did some rigorous testing of Morris Pathfinder version of their black knife and I'd done rigorous testing over the years of the bushcraft Bell accents it came out I recommend the bushcraft block to my students when they come to my classes so it's only fitting that I would test a full tang knife like this that came out by Moore as well and give it a fair examination good and bad and of course the first thing I said was you know why is this thing stainless and not carbon well I'm going to give you the inside scoop on some of this stuff on this video first of all Mora Morris process is set up a round stainless steel they've been making Sandvik stainless and this one is again 14 C 28 n Sandvik stainless and their processes are really set up around hardening and tempering stainless steel they're not set up to deal much with carbon steel they do have the carbon steel bushcraft black but the bushcraft black because it's not full tang does not have the warpage issues that you would have with a longer piece of metal to make a full tang 9 so it's going to take some development on their part in their process to be able to create something in full tank that's high carbon so with that said don't think that they're not listening and they don't know that they probably want to make something in high carbon but right now stainless is their choice for several reasons and one of those reasons is process but another reason is they have a long history of using stainless steel and laminated stainless steels to make very high quality knives both kitchen knives and outdoor knives and I've seen lots and lots of more knives that were years and years old that were still as good as the day they were bought and they do make lots of smaller high carbon knives but again they're not full tang and there's a difference in that process and the heat treat and tempering of that steel then there is in the stainless steel without getting too over complicated with this video so my first knock on this knife would have been that of stainless steel but looking at it from a practicality standpoint is this something that I would say is a survival knife well it's not five inches long so it doesn't meet that criteria it's not high carbon steel so it doesn't meet that criteria it meets all the other criteria of what I consider a good survival-type knife but it's a great backup knife

to the full tank high-carbon knife on my hip for the time being until more comes out with a full tank high carbon steel knife do I think this is a good knife and worth carrying I absolutely do and I would carry this knife in my backpack or as a secondary every day any day even though it's stainless steel because stainless steel does have inherent properties that make it advantageous it takes less care and maintenance because it doesn't rust as bad it holds an edge longer and is more durable in the long run than carbon steel so it does have some advantages with edge retention both from a spine standpoint and from a blade standpoint if you're using this knife to do a lot of skinning and gain cleaning and food processing tasks so it does have lots of lots of advantages and then being full-tang only lends it to more durability without the reduction of Steel and never compromising that blade if you had to for some reason baton this knife in an emergency and again I say had to not something that you would do every single day with any knife batani something that you would do in an emergency if you didn't have an axe or you didn't have a saw so I tested this knife pretty thoroughly I've had this thing for about two and a half three months and I helped them release it at shot show again not because I was paid but because I like more knives I have a very good friend more than one very good friend of more knives now but I met one of the gentlemen that works at more knives and he and I became very good friends and I've helped them and I am still continuing to help them with some of their process or design developments I shouldn't say not process but more design characteristics of their future knife projects and they do have some really nice knives coming down the pike very very soon so there are disadvantages of stainless steel there are advantages of stainless steel is Dave saying hey this is the greatest knife since sliced bread and you should go out buy this knife right now it's not what I'm saying I'm saying this knife has merits especially in certain environments especially for certain tasks and I would carry this knife absolutely without hesitation it's a more that's a no brainer it's going to be a quality knife with good as retention and a very good Scandinavian grind this one happens to be 27 degrees so now let's cut to the chase and go to talking about price because that's the hugest thing I've seen or the biggest thing I've seen scuttlebutt lies on the Internet is how can a more knife cost 100 bucks okay well first of all let's back the train up for a minute and say that Morin never made it $10 a $13 a $20 knife and the first knife you ever saw by Moore was this full-tang knife and it was a hundred bucks you wouldn't bat an eye at paying 100 bucks for this night I know you wouldn't you can be honest with yourself and look inside yourself and look in the mirror and say you're right Dave I would because you would it's no different than any other full-tang custom knife on the market or mass-produced knife on the market from any other company it's made from good quality stainless steel with a good process with a long standing company and $100 is not that expensive for this type of knife most people would pay $100 for a quality knife are you going to have to pay $100 for this knife probably not unless you buy it with the most hopped-up options available from this knife and it comes in two options right now one of them will be with a leather sheath which of course is going to bump the price up of the knife and I think the MSRP which is completely different than what the knife will actually solve for the MSRP is $109 with a leather sheath the MSRP for the multi mount sheath which I'll put some footage on video at the end of this video about is $100 99.95 something like that again MSRP is almost never what a knife sells for it's the recommended price to get the maximum markup from the dealer to the resale what they decide to mark the knife up other than if there's map pricing involved and sometimes there is on many things especially higher-end items there's map pricing or a set number that you can't go below but I would fully expect to see this knife coming in at less than $100 very quickly after it's released so backing the truck up again would I pay less than $100 for this knife

I absolutely would I pay a hundred for so I know I'd pay less you've got to realize that even though Moore has a reputation for high quality knives at low cost their process allows them to do that but this is a more complicated process for them than a normal partial Tang knife it has a revolutionary handle material crichton handle material that's almost indestructible I have not put it dent or ding in this handle since I had it and it does give you a nice solid grip it's not rubber but it's rubberized feeling and it is not soft rubber but hard rubber but it gives you a good grip and I like that so the handle material is more expensive than their norm the steel is a little more expensive than their norm and there's a little more of it the process is longer to create this knife than a normal process and all of those things add to the cost to produce a knife which in turn add to the selling price of the night so I think for people to say oh I'd never pay a hundred dollars for a more knife a lot of people are lying to themselves because they would and they will but you're probably not going to have to it'll probably come in at less than $100 I have almost no doubt about that

especially in other options that could come down the pike maybe just a bare plastic sheath and the blade itself and not the fancy multi mount or the leather and you can always buy an aftermarket or making a leather sheath of this knife if you choose to do so but in my opinion for what it's worth to anybody out there is that this knife has definitely got enough going for it it's enough of a quality blade and the construction is built durable enough that this knife is definitely worth whatever Mora decides to put on it for an MSRP and whatever someone decides to sell it for this knife is worth that it's worth it to me now if you're asking me would I ditch all of my carbon steel knives for stainless steel now and Oh Dave doesn't like stainless but now he all sudden does that's not what I'm saying

I'm saying this knife has merit I'm saying stainless steel has merit I'm saying that stainless steel has a lot of advantages over carbon steel but yet carbon steel has advantages over stainless as well depending on the environment depending on a situation and depending on the use of that blade everything is not about survival survival survival it's about smoothing it not roughing it using the proper equipment in the proper tool for the proper job in the proper environment and I believe that this knife has its place I appreciate your views I appreciate your support and thank you for everything you do for our school for our family for our business for all of our sponsors instructors affiliates and friends and I'll be back with another video as soon as I can guys I hope you enjoyed just a quick little talk and review of the more garber full tank knife okay guys what we're doing while in that shot show is I want to discuss this new modular sheet system or the more full tank knife the reason I'm doing that shot is because while I've had the knife for a few months now testing the knife the sheath has not been fully developed yet and not released yet to the public so I'm not going to have the sheath back the pathfinder school to do this so I want to show you this today now assume down

okay so what you've got is you've got several component parts here that make up this modular sheathing system you've got the sheath itself which is a plastic sheet that the knife locks into and it's ambidextrous to go left or right-handed either way you have a belt loop that will snap onto that sheath so that you can carry the knife as a belt carry in the woods it also comes with a mounting bracket that will give you a permanent mount if it choose to do that to a boat a canoe a kayak and a TV whatever the case may be and it comes with two velcro straps as well with slots in it so you can put this on your backpack or on your Molly gear and the way this works is you would drop the knife into the sheath and it has a positive locking system here in an over flap to make that knife completely secure and then velcro is on so if you permanently bolt this to something it's mounted there very much like a fire extinguisher type mount you would undo this and you can then pull the knife completely out if you want to with the retention strap still on it or you can just pull it completely out and put it into the belt strap system so you have several ways that you can carry this knife in this modular sheathing system that make it usable for everything from the tactical market all the way through the bushcraft